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GoT | S1E5 | What a Night for a Knight (SPOILERS) by TheGouldenWay GoT | S1E5 | What a Night for a Knight (SPOILERS) by TheGouldenWay
The idea for this comic came from my good pal, Omnipotrent, during his experience with Episode 5 of Telltale's "Game of Thrones".

MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!

During my playthrough, Duncan Tuttle was the traitor, but when I watched my friend play, it was Ser Royland Degore.  I figured it would be one of them, and that it would depend on your choices, but the way it was executed in-game was absolutely miserable.

Let me begin by saying that I've liked both characters from the start, but the game's writers kept giving them scenes where they would bicker and complain, literally like five-year-olds, which seemed hugely out of place for a castellan and a master-at-arms, even if the latter did have a temper.  Men like these would never argue like this, and therein lies the first problem.

The second problem was that nearly every one of their scenes was done twice -- once with Duncan and once with Royland -- but without any meaningful differences (take, for example, the scene with Ethan and Ramsay, where the sentinel stands at Ethan's right hand and the non-sentinel pouts and doesn't show).  Are grown men in medieval times really that petty, by the way?  That they would abandon their lord over an advisory position?  They were both still on the council.  It's not like the non-sentinel didn't get to have a say in affairs anymore.  I found their reactions to rejection remarkably difficult to buy into.

Third, even after both sides gave their reasons for betrayal during the scene in Episode 5, I was still unconvinced because so much was left unanswered:
1) How does helping Ludd Whitehill save our House?  Every bit of information he gets is used to further his goal, which is the eradication of the Forresters.
2) Duncan Tuttle arranged the secret meeting with Ludd's daughter behind his back, and she's the one who reveals that you have a traitor.
3) Royland doesn't think with anything but steel.  He's not stupid, but he's a soldier.  He isn't the type to use diplomacy or espionage to get his way.
4) HOW DOES HELPING WHITEHILL SAVE IRONWRATH?  He wants us wiped off the map, and somehow helping him will keep him from wiping us off the map?  Are you high?

There was so much good in this episode, but this scene stands out like a racial slur written in Sharpie across a classic painting.  With how long it takes to make these episodes and how good the rest of them are, I know the writers have no shortage of skill.  They could have made this an incredible reveal that pushed the consequences of player choice to the next level.  I'm sure they'll prove themselves again in the finale, so there's that to look forward to.

REFERENCES & PUNS:
1. The title of this cartoon is taken from the first episode of "Scooby-Doo, Where are You!"
2. Dan Brown is an idiot, and his plots are as contrived as his choices of similes.
3. The Mystery Gang rides in the Mystery Machine, which is a van; a "vanguard" is the first line of men to attack during a battle.
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dante424 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2016
You know, I saw a guy chosing Royland as Sentinel. But afterwards he did everything (except kissing Ludd's ring, and he lost his bethrotal to Eleena) what Duncan would ask him. Hell he even took Duncan to Highpoint. Yet, he still betrays him. The heck?
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Project5121 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2015
I thought either Duncan or Maester Ortegryn would be the traitor more than Royland. Always. I hate that it is the opposite of the one you chose as Sentinel.
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LadviTheLad Featured By Owner Edited Aug 29, 2015
I don't play the games, watch the show OR read the books, but I find this to be incredibly hilarious.
That is a sign of true talent in comedy, when you don't just say,
"Comedian": Hey guys. Remember this? it was awesome/terrible, right?
Fan of the subject 1: Yeah, it was.
Fan of the subject 2: Totally.
Fan of the subject 3: Most definitely.
Not fan of the subject: ...I don't get it.

Instead it's...
Comedian: Hey, guy's. Here's a joke.
Fan of the subject 1: HA HA HA!
Fan of the subject 2: That's a good one.
Fan of the subject 3: Ha Ha, you're funny.
Not fan of the subject: HA HA HA, that is so freaking funny,
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Omnipotrent Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2015
TOO TRUE
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:iconladvithelad:
LadviTheLad Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2015
Thanks, my lad. :)
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Omnipotrent Featured By Owner Edited Nov 19, 2015
Ner' I say thee nay
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RedRacoon09 Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2015
This was shared in a post on the Telltale forums in the following thread:

www.telltalegames.com/communit…
Page 6.
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TheGouldenWay Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2015  Hobbyist
That's awesome!  Thanks for linking me to the discussion.
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cartoonking1 Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2015
I agree completely. :nod:
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:iconchildofaura:
ChildofAura Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
(I feel bad for going on a comment spree on your art, but I must. Such is fate)

Do you think that Telltale's just been getting really bad at story-telling lately? It's not wrong to feel that way, is it? I mean, first it was TWD Season 2 when they made Episode 4, but then it just seems like everything in terms of story has been going downhill by then...
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TheGouldenWay Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2015  Hobbyist
Could be.  I wouldn't go too far and say they've lost their touch, but I will say that they're having a hard time keeping up with people's standards.  I don't think their stories have gotten worse, so much as the genres they're exploring and the choices they're trying to give us require more attention to detail and a greater feeling of consequence.  I think that, if they stopped trying to take on project after project and focused on doing just one really well, they could be churning out masterpieces every two years.
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ChildofAura Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh goodness, I forgot about that. It seemed like they were pushing out a whole bunch of titles with Minecraft, GoT, Borderlands story, etc.

Back when their primary focus was on S1 of The Walking Dead, it was clear that they had focused on what the story should be like and stuff. I really do love them for their story-telling, and you're right, they're not really losing their touch so much as just slipping.
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elessal Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2015  Student
ok, this is officially cannon. don't even try to argue this universal fact.
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BenWurth Featured By Owner Edited Jul 25, 2015  Student Filmographer
I love how "References & Puns" #2 is, in fact, a simile. 
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TheGouldenWay Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2015  Hobbyist
I'm a genius.
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BenWurth Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2015  Student Filmographer
Shut up, Dan Brown!
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Zyphon44 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I thought you said in the description of an earlier comic that you made Duncan Tuttle your Sentinel? Is the traitor determined by more than just the sentinel choice then?

Also, this made me laugh more than it probably should have, but that's usually the case with your comics.
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TheGouldenWay Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015  Hobbyist
I did originally make Duncan my sentinel, but I lost my save file and had to start over (twice) after encountering my first BIG Telltale glitch on the PC version.  TWD worked just fine for me, but GoT is a whole 'nother ballpark.  Anyway, on my third attempt I tried doing a few things differently to see if it would make the save work: I used a different file, I quit the game every so often to see if the choices were being registered, and I chose Royland as my sentinel.  That time it worked, and I wasn't going to question it, because he's awesome.

As for the traitor, I really really hope that it's based on other choices, because that's what a Telltale story is supposed to be about: how your choices affect the story.  I have a nasty suspicion that it's just whoever isn't the sentinel, but once everyone has played the episode, I'm sure someone will find out for us.

Thanks for reading!
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Zyphon44 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I'm still not sure how it's determined. They both mentioned plenty of Rodrik's choices(For Royland it was not taking soldiers to Highpoint, and for Duncan, it was losing the betrothal and taking soldiers to Highpoint).

I think I had less of a problem with how the whole traitor thing went down because for either scene, what they said fit for how Rodrik was acting. Royland thought that trying to make peace with the Whitehills was showing weakness, and Duncan thought I'd get everyone killed by bringing the Forresters and Whitehills to war.

I think I can see why Duncan was doing it, giving the Whitehills information if they promised only to remove Rodrik from power and let the House survive. Duncan wanted peace, and to do that, he needed the warmongering Rodrik out of power.

I seriously don't understand what Royland could have been thinking.

Before this episode, I'd predicted that it would have been Elissa, trying to secure Ryon's safety. And, I honestly think that would have made the most sense. But, as it is, I'm not too angry with how the whole betrayl thing went down. Not as much as other people, anyway.

I really like that you've been doing more comics lately. They're all hilarious, and it's one of the best things to go onto DeviantArt and see that there's a new one. :) I really love all the stuff you do, it's all fantastic.
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TheGouldenWay Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015  Hobbyist
I think I've let my standards rise a bit unfairly high when it comes to Telltale Games, because they're my role model.  If their choice-based games are less than perfect, then I think I look at it as an assault on how good I can become.  Then again, if I take this as a challenge that's possible to outdo, I think I'll tolerate it much easier.

If it's based on choices, here's how I can see it going:
1. It should be Duncan if you're ignoring peace-treaties and forcing the House into war; Duncan is diplomatic, so if you're endangering the entire House when peace is easily within your grasp, he'd betray you for all the right reasons.
2. It should be Elissa if you're ignoring trade offers for Ryon and angering Ludd; Elissa just wants Ryon back, unharmed, so I could see her being blackmailed into betrayal by Ludd, though I think she'd speak to Rodrik about it beforehand.
3. It should be Royland if you're submitting the House to slavery like Whitehill wants; Royland is a soldier and sworn to protect the House.  While he would never betray you to Whitehill, he might organize troops for combat behind your back if you're about to give up Ironwrath.

I'm not sure how it officially works just yet, but we'll figure it out soon enough.  Anyway, I'm pretty sure I get where you're coming from.  For my own safety, I'm gonna reset my standards for Telltale, but I'm also gonna keep thinking really hard about this betrayal thing and the rest of the story and learn as much as I can from its aspects, both good and bad.  Thanks for sharing your opinion about it.  It keeps me thinking.  And thanks for enjoying my comics, too!
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magic713 Featured By Owner Edited Jul 25, 2015
That would have been a great design for Telltale to use. Unfortunately, I don't think it's that complex. I think it's whoever is not picked a Sentinal, even if you go against the Sentinal's advice everytime afterwards.
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TheGouldenWay Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2015  Hobbyist
Yeah.  Well, maybe someday I'll have a betrayal plot-line in an interactive story of my own, and I'll actually make it sensible.
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WHAT DID I SAY!? Another singularity was formed! God help us if this and the other one merge we'll have a dublarity in our hands! That's right! Both hands will have to be used!
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shorewall Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015
You are on your game, man!  These comics are better than ever, and they were great to start with.

I like and agree with your expectations of story.  A consistent story can be enjoyed by anyone.  An inconsistent story might be enjoyed by some, but it will drive the rest nuts.  :P
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zdelaroche473 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Well...... I don't know what to say. It was good.
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Omnipotrent Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015
I laughed way to hard at this, people turned their heads when i did. 
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RussHapkins Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015
Ser Royland Looks very well preserved rather say his video game counterpart. also he seems to have that trope where a character never opens his eye's.
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Omnipotrent Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015
Brock would be proud
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Miossec97 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015
Game of Thrones by Telltale: your complain about George Martin killing your favorite characters ? Don't worry, now it's YOU who kill your favorite character from the series ! Isn't that great ? 

*thumb up whit a dumb smile*

(sorry for the errors, I'm French)

By the way: Are you going to do a panel about the end of the episode 5 ?
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RussHapkins Featured By Owner Edited Jul 23, 2015
It should have been Rodrik's mother, She went behind your back and sent a raven for elaena's hand in marriage and she was the person who first suggests killing the ravens in the rookery. that shows you she knows how to take matters in her own hand and it would make sense if she made the excuse that she would do whatever it takes for House Forrester since she can't bear to lose another family like house branfield. 
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TheGouldenWay Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015  Hobbyist
That would've been good, but they'd still need to flesh out her reasons.  My main complaint is that no one has a reason to betray me.  For example, if Lord Whitehill had offered peace and partnership in exchange for half of the ironwood, but I was too war-hungry to accept his terms, Duncan might have reason to betray me, because he'd think I was forcing the House into a war it didn't need.   Likewise, if I had done something to endanger Ryon, and the only way my mother saw to protect him was to betray a bit of information, than I could see that working, but that wasn't the case.

Interactive stories are tough.  I know that, but Telltale has been taking their sweet time putting this together.  I expected better.  I at least expected it to make sense.  I'm being harsh, but this genre of game deserves harsh.  I want it to grow, and I want it to grow well.
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Omnipotrent Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015
It should have been the Maester 
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morbrid Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Not that I haven't been enjoying this game, but I think the only reason these things didn't bother me so much is because my expectations were already low. The story's been interesting for the most part, but I've enjoyed TFtBL far more.

I want to say I'm surprised that Telltale let these things slide by, but after playing S2 of TWD... I guess it doesn't really surprise me.
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Omnipotrent Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015
I did like  season 2 though, it wasn't trying to do the same thing but again
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morbrid Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Don't get me wrong; I still enjoyed season 2 for what it was. I just feel like there were a lot of things they did wrong, as a result of poor writing.
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Omnipotrent Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2015
Well in WD season 1, i got to care about basically everyone.  This season, I only really cared about Clem and Kenny, my heart wasn't as in it, as much as I felt for Clementine 
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Omnipotrent Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2015
Well in WD season 1, i got to care about basically everyone.  This season, I only really cared about Clem and Kenny, my heart wasn't as in it, as much as I felt for Clementine 
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